Effective 2014 March 09 sleeves will once again be rolled up according to a statement release by Commandant General James F. Amos. Read more here.
Marine Corps Announces Sleeves Down Year Round
Yes, you read that correctly. Effective 2011 OCT 24, per a policy update to MCO P1020.34G, Marines will now where sleeves down year round. This news coming right after the announcement that a 75% cut to Marine Tuition Assistance is now in effect is going to make for an interesting week at Marine Corps bases worldwide. Previously, Marines only wore sleeves down in the winter while in the woodland MARPAT cammies, and sleeves were rolled up during the summer in the desert MARPAT cammies.Sorry, there are no polls available at the moment.
New Sleeve Policy Effective 2011 OCT 24
The Marine Corps will roll sleeves down and remain sleeves down year round beginning at the start of work on Monday 24 Oct.
This may come as a blow to those who work in extreme heat or prefer the unique appearance that it gives to Marines over the other branches. Some may also chalk it up to tradition as their reason for the dislike, but all branches have rolled their sleeves at one time or another, and the Air Force and Navy both still permit it. Other Marines will praise this policy change – no longer having to fuss with trying to get their sleeves rolled perfectly during the summer months. Either way, there are sure to be Marines weighing in on both sides of the issue.
You can view more comments on the Military.com thread.
This policy change will also come as good news for those that have worn “Gunny sleeves” for the past few years. Some Marines just roll their sleeves in the dark, with one hand, and have no concept of excellence when it comes to rolling a sleeve. The sleeve just hangs above the elbow with enough space in between the bicep and the sleeve to park a Humvee. I’m sure that these Marines will be happy to see the rolled sleeve policy disappear.
Before I continue, I would like to add that if this policy change was in any way due to political or special interests, I 100% disagree with it taking place. I can make the assessment that the Marine Corps, as a whole, does NOT LIKE THIS POLICY CHANGE according to the above poll. I’m curious as to what sparked the sudden change, and we may never be informed on the reasons for it.
Personally, I like the change. I’m all about keeping it simple. I will admit that rolled sleeves offers a step up in appearance as well. I understand the desire to be set apart from the other branches, but let’s be honest, if your sleeves are the only thing that sets you apart from a soldier or a seaman… then there’s a bigger issue to deal with.
Some will argue that rolling your sleeves keeps you cooler. While I don’t have any scientific data to present, I would imagine that sleeves rolled up doesn’t actually keep a Marine any cooler. Having sleeves rolled up barely creates a cooler feel, as your sleeve being blood-clotting tight probably does more to keep heat trapped in your core than it does to produce more air flow… for your forearms.
Anything that allows more time for me to PT and less time to hassle with uniform issues is a plus. This is a big win in my book, but I welcome the vast amount of dis-heartened Marines that will probably flood this post with how much they hate the change. I understand, I just simply think that the pros outweigh the cons.
With that said, I am prepared to be the minority on this new Marine Corps uniform policy change… which doesn’t happen often 🙂
Sleeves Down Pros & Cons
Sleeves Down Pros
• No time spent rolling
• No worries about what is considered a “good” sleeve
• More mobility
• No sun farmer’s tan burnt arms for light-green Marines
• Train like you fight – sleeves are down in combat
• No more faded sleeves where they were rolled
• More safety for arms during activity
Sleeves Down Cons
• Potentially warmer, but not proven
• Marines who cut and sewn their sleeves are left with unserviceable blouses
• Lose unique Marine appearance in regards to sleeves
• Losing a sense of identity and tradition
• Could potentially lead to other changes in uniform tradition
Why Sleeves Down All Year?
I have been unable to find an official answer to this question, and with all of the reasoning and logic in the world, I honestly cannot think of a reason for the change. Usually a change like this occurs due to safety, or a logistical issue, but I don’t imagine that is the case here.
Part of me thinks that the new sleeve policy and the KIA bracelet change were just distractions from the 75% cut in Marine’s tuition assistance.
If anyone has any insight on the purpose behind this uniform change (or even a good guess), then please post it in the comments below.
I guess we just mark this down as one of those random Marine Corps changes that we’ll never understand for now.
Marine Corps Combat Utility Uniform Policy Change
Source: MARADMIN Release
Date Signed: 10/18/2011
MARADMIN Active Number: 621/11 2011
R 181719Z OCT 11
MSGID/GENADMIN/CMC WASHINGTON DC DMCS
SUBJ/MARINE CORPS COMBAT UTILITY UNIFORM POLICY CHANGE
REF/A/MSGID:DOC/CMC WASHINGTON DC MCUB/31MAR2003
AMPN/A IS MCO P1020.34G, MARINE CORPS UNIFORM REGULATIONS.
POC/M. BOYT/CIV/UNIT:MCUB/-/TEL: 703-432-3333/TEL:DSN 378-3333 /EMAIL:MARY.BOYT(AT)USMC.MIL
1. THIS MARADMIN ANNOUNCES THE COMMANDANT’S DECISION TO CHANGE THE MARINE CORPS COMBAT UTILITY UNIFORM (MCCUU) WEAR POLICY.
2. EFFECTIVE 24 OCTOBER 2011, THE MCCUU WILL BE WORN WITH THE SLEEVES DOWN, YEAR ROUND. THIS CHANGE DOES NOT AFFECT TIMING OF THE SEASONAL UNIFORM CHANGE, WHICH WILL BE ADDRESSED AND ANNOUNCED IN A FUTURE MARADMIN.
3. REFERENCE (A) WILL BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THIS CHANGE.
4. RELEASE AUTHORIZED BY LTGEN W. J. WILLIAMS, DIRECTOR, MARINE CORPS STAFF.
Photo By: Cpl. Webb